Sunday, May 27, 2007

Schizophrenia and the Church

When I was a young man I got involved in the Church. While I was a member of this particular Church a very good friend of mine developed schizophrenia. The first thing I was told was that my friend was possessed by demons and spirits. That there was no hope for this person and this person was on their way down to hell. The sad thing about the whole thing was that the Christians there had me convinced that this was true.

Meanwhile I was developing schizophrenia myself. When my schizophrenia got to the point where it was in full bloom and I started using drugs and alcohol again I was told the same thing about me. They told me that I was full of demons and spirits. This was after I left the Church. I was having difficulty living up to my religious beliefs because of my mental illness so rather than being a hypocrite I left.

A few years later I met a fellow and he attended a Church. We became very good friends. I started going to Church with him. I told him right up front the day we met that I had schizophrenia. This fellow showed me a book called "Pigs in the Parlor". It was about people that had schizophrenia were possessed by demons. In fact a whole legion of demons. Every symptom of the illness was caused by a different demon. Of course he told me that I was full of demons.

For awhile there he had me convinced that it was true. This had a very negative impact on my mental health which wasn't very good in the first place due to my schizophrenia. I started asking around looking for a Minister that performed exorcisms. I was in a big mess mentally and psychologically. After awhile I muddled through all this and came to the point where I no longer believed that I was possessed by demons. By the grace of God I came to believe this. Even though I still suffered from the symptoms of my illness believing that I was not possessed by demons brought some relief mentally and psychologically.

A few years later I was with a Christian from the first Church I was involved with. He even went as far to say that the Schizophrenia Society was of the devil. This really upset me. When I went home I told my Mom about this. She got angry, called him up, to tell him off. Didn't he deny that he said this. Not only did I experience stigma and discrimination from him but outright denied it. He wouldn't even admit to my Mom that he was prejudiced against those with mental illness.

At the present moment I'm writing this my schizophrenia is pretty much in remission. I still have my Christian beliefs. I would like to go back to the same Church I first started with but I can't because of the stigma and discrimination.

I need to find a Church that does not believe that mental illness is caused by demon possession and does believe that mental illness is a real biological disease. But that is still not good enough. I would probably still encounter other forms of stigma and discrimination there. I probably would not be accepted by the Church community. I would be left out in the cold there. They probably wouldn't even talk to me let alone have fellowship with me there.

Look at the gay community. They were rejected, stigmatized, and discriminated against by the Church. But they solved the problem. They started getting together all across this great country of ours and started their own Churches. So now we have gay people able to get together, worship God together, have fellowship together, and help and encourage one another with their Christian faith and walk.

I've been entertaining similar thoughts. Why don't we consumers get together and start our own Churches. Get together, worship God, have fellowship together, and help and encourage one another in our Christian faith and walk. Not only that if people that are not consumers want to attend our Churches we would gladly receive them into our Churches and let them be members if they so please.

But there is an obstacle. Consumers that believe in Christianity need to find each other so that they can get together and start our Churches.

We don't need ordained Ministers and we don't need to pay our Ministers a salary. We can all share in giving sermons at Church services. Those that have a gift for it. We can organize the way we want our Churches to be governed. Eventually have our Churches scattered all over this great country of ours. Why Not? The gay community did it. Why can't we?

9 comments:

Seahorse said...

Tony, I have recently recovered from Schizophrenia by reading Love Without End by Glenda Green. Page 391 has a process for self-exorcism, which worked for me. Peter

Tony said...

Hello Seahorse
I don't agree with you. A person cannot recover from schizophrenia by exorcism. Schizophrenia is a real biological disease. It has nothing to do with spirits or demons. Maybe you were not ill with schizophrenia in the first place.

Unknown said...

I think it could be possible that a person possessed by a demon would exhibit symptoms that mimicked Schizophrenia, but I do not think it is true that any person who is Schizophrenic is suffering from demon possession.
At the same time, I also believe that making a choice to live a lifestyle of homosexuality (versus celibacy or heterosexuality) is sinful and is not biblically sound. A person cannot be a Christian and simultaneously choose to live in a life of sin without hitting some major obstacles and having some very loose faith (being "backslidden" if a believer). It's the same as if someone chose to live a life of crime, drug use, pornography addiction or adultery.
The principle of Grace from God is that He forgives our sins, all of them, when we believe on His Son Jesus for salvation. A church that preaches doctrines not found in the Bible, including ideas about mental illness stemming from demon possession, resulting in persecution of affected persons, is not a church that anyone should want to attend, and I'm glad that you won't go back there.
There are however MANY churches and many people that would not view you that way. I would look for a Bible-believing, Truth preaching church where I would be accepted as a fellow believer and not ostracized for suffering from an illness.

Tony said...

Hello Jessica

You said that homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God.

What is sin? Liberal Christians have a different view of sin than what the Bible says about sin. Christians that believe the Bible is infallible agree with what the Bible says about sin.

Who's right? I am not 100% certain who's right. Is the Bible infallible or is it not? I am not sure on this matter.

Whether the Bible is infallible or not I am still a Christian. I have Christian beliefs. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the True and Living God and the Saviour of mankind. Christ is Eternal Life. He is the one that gives eternal life to us. We cannot save ourselves. Only Christ can.

Is this a contradiction? Can a person still believe in Christ but not believe the Bible is infallible? At the present moment I do not know the answer to these questions. Maybe some day in the future I will know the answer but but right now I don't.

gabi said...

The Bible is the Word of God, so infallible. Your daily bread, that gives you strenght in the Holy Spirit. Tony, go to pray meetings and ask others to stand against the enemy. This is a battle, not easy, a matter of faith in the power of the Holy Spirit and in the blood of Jesus. People get healed from cancer, the crippeled men stand up from their wheelchair by the same power. You have been baptised, you are the son of God, you have athority to trample on snakes,scorpions and command to the enemy to leave you. Stand up and fight with other faithfull christians. God wants you to give testimony to others about what He was able to do for you. - a christian nurse

gabi said...

The Bible is the Word of God, so infallible. Your daily bread that gives you strenght in the Holy Spirit. Tony, go to pray meetings and ask others to stand against the enemy. This is a battle, not easy, just a matter of faith in the power of the Holy Spirit, The blood of Jesus. People get healed from cancer, the crippeled men stand up from their wheelchair by the same power. You have been baptised, you are the son of God, you have athority to trample on snakes,scorpions and command to the enemy to leave you. Stand up and fight with other faithfull christians. God wants you to give testemony to others about what He was able to do for you.---nurse

Siobhan said...

Tony,
I came across your blog from a Google search of Schizophrenia in the church. I have a neurodegenerative disorder that leaves me with depression, anxiety, and as a latent (schizotypal) schizophrenic. I was kicked out of the church and verbally assaulted by a pastor who thought that his flock should not be exposed to my circumstances.
I want to remind everyone that--as you said to seahorse--mental illnesses are often BIOLOGICAL problems no different than cancer or Crohn's Disease.
I have recently come across a church that was designed specifically for those with special needs or who have mental/physical disabilities that have prevented them from going to church in the past.
I hope this is just the start of a movement of churches that embrace the "outcasts" like ourselves who truly want to worship and have fellowship and be accepted for who we are. Mental illness is not demonic and there are a lot of things people can learn from talking to us!

Ryan said...

Hi Tony, hope everyone is going well.

I also came across this blog through a google search.

It seems to me Tony that this blog is very important. Please, I encourage you to continue to share your story.

I believe it is very important for all of us (that includes myself) to consider how people are treated within collective groups. From what I have read, it seems to me that you are genuinely searching for truth.

Thankyou for your honesty, as a believer, you have provided me with further insight into the complexity of this very complex disease.

Thankyou for sharing, please continue to do so, this is important I think. The more attempts made to understand fellow human beings, the better.

I have in the past been diagnosed, (and still struggle at times) with OCD. I appreciate and find it encouraging that you are willing to keep searching for a church, that you have professed to still believe in Christ. My understanding is that human inconsistencies within churches do not in any way make Gods Word false. Even if everyone else were to label themselves as Christians, yet did not share their faith in a loving way, which does not make God a liar. The problem is in the human representatives (including myself) and not the source of the truth (Christ).

I believe that the Bible is The Word of God.

I admit there are passages that confuse me. However, just because I don’t understand these certain passages doesn’t mean that it is not Gods Word.

Gods word is not hinged on whether or not I agree or understand all that is shared, for I am not God. It is instead Truth itself, regardless of the way it is represented (or misrepresented) by humanity.

I encourage you to keep searching for members in the Body of Christ that share and understand the value of honesty and acceptance.

Also, I find this encouraging:

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,

...we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

through whom we have gained access by faith into this

grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope

of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in

our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces

perseverance; perseverance, character; and character,

hope.


And hope does not disappoint us, because God

has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit,

whom he has given us.


The Holy Bible (NIV) Romans 5:1-5


I realise that in this context Paul may have referred to suffering in relation to being unfairly persecuted for ones faith, rather than being persecuted for ones honest questions and sharing, I do think though that faith and honesty are very much related.

My understanding is that faith should lead to action (something that I find challenging, because I have not always been consistent with this, and am still finding myself lazy and passive at times).

Anyway, I have probably written too much.

Thankyou for taking the steps in order to get your thoughts out there, promoting discussion and hopefully encouraging people to stop and think about these things seriously. Every one is created in Gods image, therefore everyone should be valued.

P.S I will try to keep you in mind when I pray at night (if that’s ok, let me know if it isn’t through this blog).

Kind regards, Ryan

Sasha Bradley said...

Greetings. I feel blessed to have come across your blog.
I am a Christian, born-again. I am also suffering from the symptoms of Schizophrenia.
I've been seeking the Truth just like you have been, and I will share what I think with you:
Most of the Christians I've asked about my symptoms being spiritual warfare or a mental illness (something I was born with), they have told me that they believe my "schizophrenia episodes" are a "little bit of both".
I've talked with other believers who advise that I refuse medication and lean on God to heal me.
I don't know if what I hear, see, feel, sense, etc. is an attack from the enemy of our soul, and I don't know if I was born with a malfunctioning brain.
I have decided to stay on my medication, because I believe that God is understanding enough to know that these episodes scare the life out of me (yes, they seem very real), but I reach to Him for help as well.
When I first came down with these symptoms, and I asked the chaplain if Satan/demons could read my mind. Her response was "does it matter?" I didn't know what to say to that. (Understand that the symptoms cause me to believe that every soul can read my mind - but 1 Corinthians 2:11 says: "no one can know what anyone else is really thinking...") NOW my answer to her question is this: NO, it doesn't matter if the enemy can read my mind (I still don't know the answer to that one), because I am COVERED WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS, and everything, especially the powers of darkness, is under His feet.
I'd like to keep in contact with you, I think we both are in the same place with this, and I hope we can encourage one another...if you don't want to, I understand.

My problem is, whenever I experience the hallucinations, there is always something that disagrees with the Bible (which is the word of God...every word is Truth, and Light, and our strength). So I immediately recognize that whatever it is I'm about to start believing , it is NOT TRUE.

I want to suggest a great book for you. I read it over and over again, and it has really helped me.
"BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND" by Joyce Meyer

When I was in jail, I asked the library for a book about schizophrenia...what they gave me was this book I'm suggesting you read. I believe this book will help you and give you a better understanding of what it is you experience.

Know that Christ died for you!! Talk to Jesus about what it is you are going through. I will pray for you.
I know it's confusing, and scary.
The Bible tells us that GOD IS IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING...
it also tells us TO PRAY ABOUT EVERYTHING, and it tells us to not worry about anything.

May the PEACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH BE WITH YOU ALL...

Sincerely,
Sasha Bradley